Anyone notice that in a tribe dedicated to a pro war position we've allowed it to be effectively shut down by the incoherant ramblings of one terrorist sympathizer? I mean I understand not directly engaging his rants, after all it is impossible to reason with one who is out of touch with reality. No one else is posting though either. We let this nut job come in here and post, post after post, even replying to himself when no one else will pay him any attention. Again I understand not justifying the rantings of a deranged mind with a response but isn't it about time the rest of us used this tribe for what it was designed for? Or are we going to just yield the space to the lunatic fringe just because dealing with him is kinda like talking to the homeless guy on the corner talking about the martians who put his underware out side of his pants?
Undenyable facts of life:
1) We live in a world ruled by the use of force or the threat of its use
2) Peace requires two sides willing to live in peace and our current enemies have no interest in peace as they still think they can achieve victory
3) There are willing accomplices of our enemies who live inside of the United States and who use propaganda to make those rational enough to understand the realities of life feel isolated.
So what do we do about it?
I for one will not reply to the lunatic, but I will no longer be silent as long as someone wishes to talk with me about the war or the current situation. Until the Islamic Militants desire peace enough to make it a possiblity we must not just seek war but rather Victory. Unfortunately we've been waging a war instead of relentlessly killing the enemy. I think the surge program with its focus on going after the enemy rather than trying to just police the area and maintain peace is a step in the right direction though it certainly could be done better and more forcefully.
So unless the lunatic has converted you all to his message of surender, sound off, and let your opinion be known. If he replys to one of your post, ignore it. There is no requirement to reason with the unreasonable, but to allow his childish antics to silence you is even worse.
Undenyable facts of life:
1) We live in a world ruled by the use of force or the threat of its use
2) Peace requires two sides willing to live in peace and our current enemies have no interest in peace as they still think they can achieve victory
3) There are willing accomplices of our enemies who live inside of the United States and who use propaganda to make those rational enough to understand the realities of life feel isolated.
So what do we do about it?
I for one will not reply to the lunatic, but I will no longer be silent as long as someone wishes to talk with me about the war or the current situation. Until the Islamic Militants desire peace enough to make it a possiblity we must not just seek war but rather Victory. Unfortunately we've been waging a war instead of relentlessly killing the enemy. I think the surge program with its focus on going after the enemy rather than trying to just police the area and maintain peace is a step in the right direction though it certainly could be done better and more forcefully.
So unless the lunatic has converted you all to his message of surender, sound off, and let your opinion be known. If he replys to one of your post, ignore it. There is no requirement to reason with the unreasonable, but to allow his childish antics to silence you is even worse.
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Wed, June 27, 2007 - 6:19 PMOr maybe you just lost the war. Give it another chance maybe?
Kudos DVDBurner. you are my hero. -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 11:00 PMDont thank me, thank those that voted for Bush and Cheney.
There is more to come.
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Sat, September 8, 2007 - 1:32 PMI don't think DVDb is a lunatic, just simple-minded and impractical... and annoying. You on the other hand are pompous and most importantly, oppressive. Tho I feel my knee "jerk" almost everytime he speaks to kick him in his liberal balls, I'd almost prefer him in my community than you. As to your realities of life...
1) was tautological and in no way helps us determine weather or not a\ this engagement is a good idea or b\what modifications should be made in the way it is being carried out.
3) establishes you not as a pragmatic yet respectably intellectual fascist, but as a wholly anti-democratic oppressor who at any point would draw (and is drawing) the sword on someone who at most, is didactically or ideologically in disagreement with you. (unless ofcoars you are refering to those who actually wish to pursue the cause of physical harm on our citizens but I don't think you are.)
"2) Peace requires two sides willing to live in peace and our current enemies have no interest in peace as they still think they can achieve victory "
- You have reduced conflict inheranty to two parties. You also have reduced YOUR /"our" enemy to a monster who has, "no interest in peace." You are not a pragmatic, you are a monster and you make me sick. -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 9:53 AMyou know something, most people in this tribe either dont know or wont admit nor will recognize the real purpose of what the war in Iraq is all about.
being in Montreal, most people here and from around the world have no problem bringing up the topic of what reality is.
The fact of the matter is, this war is about money, power and the Anglo against the rest of the world. It's a common topic here and it's not one I have ever brought up during my stay here. Americans in general are idiots and suckers.
Ask almost anyone in America what the war is about and almost everyone will give the same answer.
we are fighting for our freedom and for our way of life is the most common answer. -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 6:57 PMWell, I'm happy to say that I fall outside of the "General American" populace. Thanks for the overstated generalization, DVD. the war is about money. The war is about linig the pockets of the share holders in the Federal Reserve. War is the most lucrative activity that exists from a banking standpoint. No one borows more than a country at war. What's the point here now? -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:15 AMMy point.
Anglo is a culture not necessarily a race as most would like to believe and most do believe it to be.
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Mon, September 10, 2007 - 2:59 PM-quote- "most people in this tribe either dont know or wont admit nor will recognize the real purpose of what the war in Iraq is all about."
-Thats because the name of the tribe is GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!
-quote- "The fact of the matter is, this war is about money, power and the Anglo against the rest of the world."
-The reason the tribe doesn't need to acknowledge this fact is that its a blatant tautology. A piece of rhetoric that kills the liberal and his/her world. Not THIS war, child but ALL war is about power. Unless you'd like to cut me for changing the word from "money" in a refusal that in a marketplace or otherwise, the global society I'd like you to acknowledge PLEASE that they are one and the same as far as unbound cooperative exchanges go. You're still asking people in this tribe, "Give war a chance" to be shocked at something they take for granted. That EVERY political conflict is rests upon the basis of fundamental commodities and as you're getting race/culture into this let me remind you that even Malcolm X acknowledged this IN HIS RATIONALIZATION of the necessary armed conflict with oppressive power(money).
-quote -"being in Montreal, most people here and from around the world have no problem bringing up the topic of what reality is. "
-quote- "Americans in general are idiots and suckers."
-quote- "Ask almost anyone in America what the war is about... "
-Wow, beyond hateful and absolutely disconnected from even an ATTEMPT at objective analysis of our political and social problems, guy it should be more than clear by now that you're at the very least UNPRODUCTIVELY out of place in this tribe. You vilianize all opposing perspectives and make no attempt to understand them TO YOUR BENEFIT.
AnathemA, maybe you could help us as the following statement sounds like it could be rooted in politically non-fetishist pragmatism that yearns for better more positive societies.
-quote- "War is the most lucrative activity that exists from a banking standpoint. No one borows more than a country at war. What's the point here now?"
-Other than "money making" what can the word lucrative possibly mean without first being otherwise contextually qualified? What I'm saying is that your "...from a banking standpoint." is redundent. And I wholly agree, nobody borrows more than a country at war and from lessons in this exact such bahavior we've learned what disastrous consequences await us after the war's timeline has been exhausted but thats an example of why war in general... IS A BAD BUSINESS MODEL. It is on the whole inefficient and beyond its immediate horrors does harm to our societies. Now, are you about to argue that all war is bad? That getting into THIS war was bad? Or is it more poignant to say that neither point is relative as we are already IN this war and ALL WAR ON THE WHOLE is not about to come to a halt. I hope this gets DVDB to realize that he is in fact doing NO good.
If there is a point to this tribe it should be to find in what way military ability can help us in our PRESENT conflicts. NOT "... if at all."
IDEAS, PLEASE! Gandhi wouldn't apply here 'cus he was smarter. I'll be back with my ideas. -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Mon, September 10, 2007 - 7:48 PMSure, I'll "help" though I know you get it quite well, troll. We're all trolling here (except Vlad me thinks). Your trolling is different than mine. I attack personalities. You're picking apart people's words before attacking their personality. So be it.
I know that lucrative is a financial word and not used outside of a monetary discusion in most cases, but let me try.
Ex - This tribe is the furthest thing from intilectually lucrative that I can think of.
There you go. It isn't a financilly exclusive word. Yes, I did qualify it as well, but I could have not.
I added "from a banking standpoint" to not leave simpletons like Vlad in the dark. Pardon my redundance.
"disastrous consequences await us after the war's timeline has been exhausted"
What you may be missing is that there is no goal or "timeline" for this war. It will, if left to the current administration's agenda, continue on without plausable end. That's why we're looking at Iran now. We need to keep the war on to achieve the goals of the banks.
I like what you're saying Dropping and no I will not argue that all war is wrong as I feel that there are appropriate times to go to war or fight. What I will say is that, if you are trolling, as it seems you are, you need to use spell check. Otherwise, we're kosher. Have a great day. -
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Re: Knee jerk "Peace" activists
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:38 PMLMFAO!
that was good.
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